Ch12 - p61


June 12, 2017, at 12:00 AM

Your Majesty, say it ain't so.
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  1. damn sonorie thats cold...
    lurkergao on
  2. With the cheek on this lawyer, it's a wonder Bastion doesn't cut his guts out and show them to him while he dies.
    Dingus on
  3. ...Well, that's not grim at all. Just when I think this story can't get any more twisted, there's a new piece of horror and intrigue. Thanks Ashley!
    Jordan on
  4. "Your Majesty, say it ain't so."

    Given the track record of "Unsounded" characters betraying each other all the time, NOBODY should believe that.

    But it does NOT mean Solicitor Chorley is to be believed either.
    Mad'Monster'Maniac on
  5. He's her SEX SLAVE?! Well, his daughter is safe, not that he cares. Damn, he might kill her out of vengeful spite if he ever got his will back. He is an experimental stud horse, as I guessed, and she hasn't given up on that, not by a long shot. She means to replicate the kind of pymary that makes Coppers live so long, to make an heir who can reign without the worry of the disruption of hereditary transition in future generations for 500 years.
    RyGuy on
  6. Interesting seems like General Bell greatly underestimated how cutthroat Queen Sonorie can be...
    Kaz on
  7. You know what, I think Rahm might have been onto something, way back when...
    Asi on
  8. Damn Solicitors. I'd order them all killed, but my Solicitor advises against it.
    Wu on
  9. I like the reveal that Sonorie was playing 5d chess while Bell was playing checkers.
    Smith on
  10. "Hey kid... yes, you... wanna try some Realpolitik?"
    Simplicissimus on
  11. Ha! That is perfectly put.
    Keladin on
  12. Man, that Queen got issues... Looks like the Black Tongues, or most of them, are now working for Cresce. That will surely change the tide of war.
    James Rye on
  13. My mind is full of f*ck... Guess you don't stay Queen for long in Cresce unless you can outwit everyone. Also, I am wondering if Lady Ilganyag will take all this sitting down. I mean, it's her old fanclub going haywire, I doubt even them inor inconvenience of instant death upon setting foot back on Kassalyne would scare her off. She'll find a way. Perhaps by using a certain scarred Weirdo in Leatherpants and an Attack Zombie?
    MDN on
  14. Aouch.. Sure we don't have to believe what he says, but it sounds terribly credible to me. Already sensed that the Queen may be well aware of what's happening. By the way, am I mistaken or the bite changed its side on the neck from two pages ago? Small "typo"?
    Karel on
  15. So the majors players purport to be working for Sonorie? That is an unexpected developement, if true. What would evil lawyer stereotype and Slithers gain by lying, though? Power, at least, in return for the vague promise of political stability. But how did they get Copperhead, then? With difficulty. But that would be the way by which to convince the Tongues, so they might have found that worth it. Who is Chorley, though? His mannerisms made him be called a mob lawyer, so maybe he's from Shartshane. Perhaps Sette's Da's got a hand in this, but then again, he says he stays out of politics. But perhaps this is the exception.
    Knows what comes on
  16. I believe it's Bell's schemes. Everything comes together: Bell or his agents served as an "intermediary" to make affairs with Black Tongues in the name of Sonorie (without her knowing it). This way he looks like a solid patron and gains their service, thus having Delicieu's First Silver weapon sent against Alderode. And after obtaining what he wanted from the Copper ald, he recycled him into a royal husband to discredit the queen in the eyes of her people and weaken her power. Just hypothesis but still, sounds logic to me
    Mykh on
  17. Or the Queen really cared for him, and this is Bell's way of maximising his value while disposing of him. I can still hope the Queen is a decent human being...
    John Smith on
  18. So in 12-31, Bell, who also has neck bite wounds, talks about hearing the voice of "Yerta". Maybe it was the voice of Ruck instead? And if Ruck did bite him, was it on the Queen's orders? Or a way for Ruck to hedge his bet's against his patron?
    BarnacleGoose on
  19. Wow Bell does have a little bite wound. I didn't notice that.
    flugx009 on
  20. Well, even with all the dark twists and turns this comic often takes, I was not expecting Sonorie to purportedly be willingly having Roger turned into a meat puppet. She seemed to genuinely care for him.
    Roo on
  21. Searching for another manipulator to be behind the manipulators. Where in Shartshane did Chorley come from? (With a name like that he's either a minion or the Power Behind Everything in Disguise, eh?)--that's not an oath, by the way.

    I'm guessing that he came from under Shartshane. I forgot the name of the Dark Lord of the scary caverns under Shartshane, but he must be still alive and have a motive for being involved. (He? For all I know he's Cutter's aunt.)
    awhorl on
  22. Alright, since Ruck is just about only one of his kind in Cresce, we can assume he's the one who bit Bell and gave him the long-term orders in the form of "Yerta's voice", so he could act independently and didn't change his personality too suspiciously. His words to Karl look too much like prepared speech (especially the bit about Delicieu's weapons), so we don't know what of that does he actually believe, or whether he actually has any Aldish contacts, but at the very least he seems to think the queen married Roger for the alliance, which means he's not actually in on all of Ruck's plans.

    Personally, I wouldn't believe all that Ruck and Chorley say about their plans. Bell acting autonomously means that him attempting that coup is an actual part of the plan, since any other outcome would require Ruck on his side, ready to correct his instructions. Telling a potential enemy your plans in a gloating monologue would be stupid, so while the data from Roger's mind probably do exist (there's no reason to recruit Black Tongues for it otherwise), and Ruck really hadn't met whatever Delicieu is right now (otherwise he wouldn't need to plunder his lab), the queen ist't onto it.

    Given that Bell was told "the silver is a gift" and that Delicieu's clients aim for killing Sonorie and prosperity upon the Ssaelit faith, it can be safely assumed that the weapon is meant to wreak havoc in Cresce, not Alderode. Ruck is either unaware of its devastating properties or, more likely, studying Roger's mind will bring unforeseen consequences (such as takeover of the Black Tongues for a third party).
    Zaits on
  23. I am greatly pleased by the way Chorley is drawn. Thank you! He has the face of a man who WOULD tell Bastion all that backstory--and leave us wondering if he's a liar, if he too has been bitten (haha), or if he's just plain stung and needs to prove that he's right and more powerful, rather than hold his tongue.
    awhorl on
  24. @BarnacleGoose: "Bell, who also has neck bite wounds"

    Please point us to the page and frame where we can see bite wounds on Gen.Bell's neck.
    Mad'Monster'Maniac on
  25. Alright, since Ruck is just about only one of his kind in Cresce, we can assume he's the one who bit Bell and gave him the long-term orders in the form of "Yerta's voice", so he could act independently and didn't change his personality too suspiciously. His words to Karl look too much like prepared speech (especially the bit about Delicieu's weapons), so we don't know what of that does he actually believe, or whether he actually has any Aldish contacts, but at the very least he seems to think the queen married Roger for the alliance, which means he's not actually in on all of Ruck's plans. Personally, I wouldn't believe all that Ruck and Chorley say about their plans. Bell acting autonomously means that him attempting that coup is an actual part of the plan, since any other outcome would require Ruck on his side, ready to correct his instructions. Telling a potential enemy your plans in a gloating monologue would be stupid, so while the data from Roger's mind probably do exist (there's no reason to recruit Black Tongues for it otherwise), and Ruck really hadn't met whatever Delicieu is right now (otherwise he wouldn't need to plunder his lab), the queen ist't onto it. Given that Bell was told "the silver is a gift" and that Delicieu's clients aim for killing Sonorie and prosperity upon the Ssaelit faith, it can be safely assumed that the weapon is meant to wreak havoc in Cresce, not Alderode. Ruck is either unaware of its devastating properties or, more likely, studying Roger's mind will bring unforeseen consequences (such as takeover of the Black Tongues for a third party).
    Zaits on
  26. Regarding whether the Queen is or is not complicit in zombifying Roger, we must consider the trustworthiness of the information source. It appears that the source is woefully lacking in trustworthiness.
    Mad'Monster'Maniac on
  27. @BarnacleGoose: Oh, wow. Bell does have a neck bit wound. Good catch!
    Eric on
  28. Bell's neck bite: C12 p31 panel 4 My mind is blown
    eshoon on
  29. Sassing people with "bite me" when there's an Efheby nearby is dangerously bold.
    The Gorram Batguy on
  30. Me thinks these wicked little woven webs are going to get tangled up and together and then catch fire.
    WireWolf on
  31. @eshoon: "Bell's neck bite: C12 p31 panel 4"

    Bell covers his neck with fingers. On C12 p31 panel 3 the neck is seen, but no bite marks there. The thing to the upper right of Bell's left pinky does not look like a wound, more like a wort, tumour, polyp or some other growth, that is, it is a PROTRUSION, not an INDENTATION, like a wound would look like.
    Mad'Monster'Maniac on
  32. C12 p31 panel 4 sure looks like a biting mark, which could very well be protruded around (the wound could have swollen!) while there's a visible hole in the middle. Could explain his thirst for blood when he killed the messenger!
    Karel on
  33. Yep, looks like a puncture wound with puckered edges to me.
    Collide on
  34. Never thought I'd side with Bastion. Also, Sonorie has officially solidified herself in the 'bitch' status for me.
    Turtle Lord on
  35. @eshoon, @Karel, @Collide: If you are correct, then it is the Mind Manipulation (a.k.a Mind Control) trope played straight. Yet another tool from the standard grimdark toolbox.
    Mad'Monster'Maniac on
  36. I'm liking Queen Sonoroie more and more... Girl doesn't play around.
    Rainwalker on
  37. @MMM, given tumblr answers, maybe Bell actually escaped such a fate? And shows some side effects of the venom..
    Karel on
  38. The Gorram BatGuy had the same thought as me about the quip "bite me". Ballsy move for a man who lacks such. Also, "Interesting seems like General Bell greatly underestimated how cutthroat Queen Sonorie can be... Kaz" is an interesting observation, but perhaps Bell was smarter before being bitten, perhaps by this slithering chap, perhaps by another. Sonorie might have genuinely loved her husband ... just not enough not to sacrifice him to slithering undeath. Well, Bastion proves that two can play at that game ...
    Honzinator on
  39. NO bite marks on Gen. Bell's neck at 12-31-pg4. There are several black dots on his FACE below his left sideburn. There is a lock of black hair with a knobby end hanging from Bell's hairline, against his neck. The venom marks on the Copper, as on the Black Tongue master, are double, round and large enough to be quite noticeable on the corpse. Gen. Bell is too vital to have a liquified brain. What are some of you people seeing?
    Hilfy on
  40. Okay I know this is a serious page and all, but Bastion's sassy pout in panels 2 and 3 make me giggle.
    Spottedspeck on
  41. So when is the reunion between Dr Frankenstein and his monster?
    . on
  42. @Hilfy: Indeed, what I see on Gen.Bell's neck does not look to me like bite marks. But please point out to me the bite marks on Master Ballenstern's body - where are they and what do they look like (so as to help me find them)?
    Mad'Monster'Maniac on
  43. Hey, did Ruck bite him twice? On page 59 the bite mark is on his right. Todays page shows him being bit on his left.
    JonVDK on
  44. @Hilfy: None of the spots you mentioned were the bite marks, but look next to the cloth around his neck near his pinky finger. It looks like he might have moved the cloth a little and allowed a hole to become visible for a moment.
    Eric on
  45. *index* finger, not pinky finger. Sorry. I should have verified which finger it was rather than relying on what MMM said.
    Eric on
  46. @Eric: "I should have verified which finger it was rather than relying on what MMM said."

    Sorry about that. My mistake. It is the index finger indeed.
    Mad'Monster'Maniac on
  47. General Bell's Bite Mark

    In this image, it is clear that Bell has some sort of puncture wound..
    Possibly from a bite.

    Edit: Let's just have a link and not an inline image please, thanks kindly - Ashley
    Melarec on
  48. Whoops..
    I forgot to add Width and Height modifiers..
    Sorry.. :|
    Melarec on
  49. Ohhh my, my, my. This is an intriguing development indeed. I never noticed the mark on Bell's neck before, but now you mention it, that puncture mark next to his collar looks very suspiciously bite-like. Very curious.
    Stoopendous on
  50. Maybe bell is yet another pawn? maybe he is being set up for the fall? maybe it is a lie, some misdirection? maybe ruck is a third party? or even worst of all some one is playing everyone?
    Asshat on
  51. Hmmmm. If Chorely is telling the truth and Sonorie is conspiring with Ruck, asshat may be right - she may be responsible for the bite on Bell's neck. Then she could have him move the silver towards Alderode and unleash it, without getting her own hands dirty. After all, she did muse that she was going to do monstrous things for love.....
    Otoh, Ruck having claimed Bell as his pawn earlier would explain how he infiltrated the palace and got his hands on one of the queen's consorts. And it's not as if we have any reason to trust Chorely. It's too early to tell.
    Of course, if it is true, does that make Sonorie evil? From my point of view, yes. Then again, I'm not the ruler of a kingdom fighting for its life against powerful and agressive invaders.
    Jim Handy on
  52. Oh that's nice, I was worried Sonorie was a bit of an idiot who couldn't do any cruel thing necessary for the survival of her people.
    cwDeici on
  53. "We do such monstrous things for love." -Queen Sonorie
    J on